Canon EOS 1V or EOS 3?

[studio206]

well I'm actually looking for the 1V... does anyone know where i could find one at a good price? for a new one, it cost about $1,700 and being a college student and all, i definitely can't afford that :-( but i really want that camera lol. i know i could find the EOS 3 pretty cheap used but ppl keep saying that it's not that great of a camera... which i wouldn't understand why being it's one of Canon's top 35mm cameras... i dunno, if anyone knows anything about Canon systems, please help me out :-(

[TX_Gulf_Coast]

Vic,

I know the Canon line. What are you planning to do with your camera? And why 35mm? Prices the way they are, there are alot of really good medium format film cameras on the market at reasonable prices.

Don't know about where you are, but we have a couple of stores here that handle used film equipment and are really reliable.

Post a little more about intended use and that may help get you some information.

P.S. The differences in the two camera bodies you asked about are 1V has high speed (Continuous up to 10 Frames/Second) - EOS 3 only 7 Frames; 1V expanded viewfinder and LCD Info over the EOS 3; and the 1V has a significately heavier build about it. Weights more and can take more punishment. Other than that, the cameras are laid out very similar in function and features. Either camera is worth the investment, especially if you already have the Canon Glass.

[duderton]

your from MArlton. G oto Allens camerain Levittown PA. Tell them Rich sent you, I used to work there for about 5 years, hes has new and used ones too. He's got tons of stuff there, I gauruntee you won't walk out with just a camera. lol

[studio206]

Vic,

I know the Canon line. What are you planning to do with your camera? And why 35mm? Prices the way they are, there are alot of really good medium format film cameras on the market at reasonable prices.

Don't know about where you are, but we have a couple of stores here that handle used film equipment and are really reliable.

Post a little more about intended use and that may help get you some information.

P.S. The differences in the two camera bodies you asked about are 1V has high speed (Continuous up to 10 Frames/Second) - EOS 3 only 7 Frames; 1V expanded viewfinder and LCD Info over the EOS 3; and the 1V has a significately heavier build about it. Weights more and can take more punishment. Other than that, the cameras are laid out very similar in function and features. Either camera is worth the investment, especially if you already have the Canon Glass.

well i know i wont really need to high speed, but i do like that fact that has a much heavier build. i mostly want it to upgrade my current film camera. i'm shooting with an Rebel GII which only has a 3 point AF which makes using my AF worthless so i do just about everything on MF but sometimes that can be a pain too. most of the other reasons are just personal ones like i don't like a plastic body and how small it is... lol i dunno i would like to get a medium formate but buying that along with the film that goes with it, i definitely can't afford with my job lol i wish i could.

[studio206]

your from MArlton. G oto Allens camerain Levittown PA. Tell them Rich sent you, I used to work there for about 5 years, hes has new and used ones too. He's got tons of stuff there, I gauruntee you won't walk out with just a camera. lol

about where in levittown is it located? i don't really know that area very well :-(

[TX_Gulf_Coast]

If your moving from 3 AF points to 45...you will LOVE that camera.

[studio206]

yeah that's what i'm hopeing :-) if all goes well at this art show that i entered, i'll be able to use to money for the eos 3 :-) so i'm excited

[duderton]

Allens camera is at 4401 New Falls Road, Levittown. 215 547 2841

[studio206]

oh cool... i looked it up on the map, it looks like it's pretty easy to get there n' it's only a 30min drive.. thank a lot :-)

[Hikariphoto]

Before I went to my local camera shop, I would look at www.keh.com and check their used department. Their used stuff is great -- get anything in EX condition or above and you won't be disappointed. I've bought a lot of used and new gear from them, including L lenses and camera bodies. No trouble whatever. they have an EOS-3 body in their list right now for $415 and a 1V body with power booster for $849

[studio206]

oh sweet. thanks a lot, I'll have to go check them out. I did a side-by-side comparison on the EOS-1, EOS-1N, EOS-3, and EOS-1V and i got my hear set on the 1V now. so if they have a used one for a good price, I'm going to definitely look into getting it.

[Hikariphoto]

Funny, I sold off all my high-end film bodies when I went digital. I did keep an Elan 7E and I find that in 35mm that's all I need. Mostly when I shoot film I either shoot 2.25-square or 4x5 sheet film.

But right now KEH has a like new minus 1V with the power booster for $1279. heck of a lot cheaper than $1700. But you could save $400 with the EX condition one, and you probably wouldn't notice the difference except maybe a little cosmetics.

[studio206]

yeah... i may get the EX on... that is very cheap. i use to want the Elan 7E but then i read about the 1V and the EOS-3 and that's all I've wanted since then. I'm planing on getting a D SLR one of these days... but I'm still very happy with 35mm. I mostly enjoy working in the darkroom... that's my favorite part about shooting traditionally.

[Hikariphoto]

It really all depends on what you want to do. For the price of that used 1V, you can get a brand new Canon 20D body. If you own your own darkroom (and I do, two enlargers, packed in a closet right now), then the film body is great. If you want to use it commercially or shoot weddings or portraiture, generally digital is the way to go. Not always the case, but in the circles I hang with it's this way.

And the 8mp D-SLR will produce images every bit as good as any film body can. Heck, even a 6mp D-SLR will.

[studio206]

I'm planning on getting the 20D as well lol. I just don't see myself not using film for a long time to come. plus i'm planning on building a darkroom :D for all my personal project I'm going to stick with film. I shoot with a 7.1mp camera now... it's a great camera, but i don't like it as much as my film camera... i don't know, but i have my reasons though.

[Hikariphoto]

What are you shooting with now? 7.1... sounds like a point-and-shoot or thereabouts. I don't know of any real D-SLRs that are 7.1. A lot of them make a huge effort to look like D-SLRs but only an SLR performs like an SLR (I don't mean image quality; I mean body performance, shutter lag time, write speed, focusing speed, high-ISO performance, etc.).

There is a HUGE difference between P&S digital cameras and D-SLRS.
Have you ever shot with a D-SLR?

I'm not trying to talk you out of film, but if budget is limited the D-SLR is probably your best bet, because you can use that to make money to stay up with film, if that makes any sense.

[studio206]

lol yeah it's one of those hybrids cameras *that what i like to call them* it's by Olympus, it's a very good camera. there's no shutter lag when i'm shooting in Jpeg format... and the focus is pretty good. I also never shoot above 100 ISO lol.

I do want a D-SLR trust me. I know digital can save me money but the money i have to put out to get there is crazy. Film is actually cheap for me because i work at a photofinish place and i get most of my film for free or almost free and a lot of my printing almost free lol so I'm not really worried about that. :D

[Hikariphoto]

That's cool. Actually, out-of-pocket costs are much less in shooting digital. A body, a couple of gigs of CF cards and off you go. Well under a grand. Especially if you buy used: my first D-SLR was a 10D and I sold film bodies to buy it used. I used my old film lenses on it until I could afford to buy my L glass. If you're already shooting a Rebel you can use the lenses on the 20D, and skip the film step if you want to.

For me it was an act of self-defense. Brides were starting to ask why I wasn't shooting digital so I decided I had to go that way. And I've never regretted it -- figure it this way. A 2-gig CF card runs now about $40-50.

With a 20D in JPEG-Large mode you can get about 460 pictures on a 2 gig chip. That is over 100 rolls of film that you don't have to buy, process and have printed, so regardless of how cheaply you can buy film for and have it processed, the first chip you fill up will pay for itself immediately. Shoot enough that way and even your camera will pay for itself in savings.

When I was shooting weddings on film, my out-of-pocket expenses were ridiculous, so I'd limit myself to 15-20 rolls per wedding. Now I can shoot enough to be able to give the couple 400-600 proofs, and all it costs me is wear and tear on my gear and the print costs.

I just spend a hell of a lot more time in front of the computer -- there's the tradeoff. Cash money vs. computer time.

[studio206]

oh trust me i know where you are coming from. and i do plan on buying a digital one of these days. i don't see a reason not to have both and what i like to shoot i don't really need to working about nagging brides lol

i already spend a lot of time in front of the computer because i restore people's old photos at work plus i do a lot in graphic design and digital art.

the thing is i can't really afford to come up with close to $100 for a 1 or 2 gig cf card. and i can't afford the 20D at the moment either... however i can afford $4.00 roll of film here and there when i need it. I may end up getting the 20D first be4 the 1V but i do still want the 1V. I really only want the 20D or 30D until i can afford either the 5D or the 1D Mrk II. I'm just taking baby steps until i can get what i want... none of that stuff i need. i'm still a student to i'm still in the learning stages :-)

[Hikariphoto]

lol yeah I understand the money thing. A 1 gig card is stupid cheap now, and a 2 gig card is not that much more. $45 for a 2 gig card at newegg.com, and $25 for a 1 gig. And newegg is a reliable source for all that stuff. Figure $45 for a 2 gig card and buy the 20D body, and off you go.

The 20D is a great camera. The 30D is a little better -- worth the extra money to me -- but I shoot with one of each. If you're shooting art and not sports or needing a really heavy body, you won't need a Mark II but the 5D is a great body.

That said, it all comes down to what you want... the 1V is a great body too, and film is a lot of fun to shoot, develop and print.


Honestly, and I suppose I should have mentioned this before, the BODY isn't the most important piece of kit you can own. After your eye/brain, the lenses are the most important piece of kit you can get. Bodies change, upgrade, improve, but lenses don't, really. My 70-200 2.8L lens is the same as ones purchased years ago, and it's among the best lenses ever made. (Don't let a Leica shooter hear me say that :) ) And it will continue to be a great lens for years to come. Even when they have 36-MP D-SLRs with dynamic ranges of ISO25-64000, the lenses won't have changed much.

[studio206]

lol yeah that's what i was about to say :-) one of my fav. photographers uses a holga O.O of all cameras but he uses other cameras as well lol i know that having an eye is really important, that's why i spend so much time learning about other photographers and then practicing what i learn.

the main reason i want the 1 series is because i love the 45 AF points... i got to use one and OMFG i loved it :D lol but yeah all of these are just wants not need. i do want to start investing in L glass... i think it'll looks silly strapping on a L lens to my little Rebel lol i mess with this one guy's L's in my class lol he's a cool guy... he has a 1D MKII but he is also the school photographer o.O to be honest he doesn't really take much care of his equipment and it's a shame because if i had that stuff i would definitely appreciate it more.

i'm hoping that B&H has a big Christmas sale... i may try to buy my 20D next month if i get enough hours from now to then. it's either them or whoever has the better deal :-D lol

[Hikariphoto]

Again, try KEH. They've always got good stuff. Also, you might try Costco Online as well. Stay away from those too-good-to-be-true deals from Brooklyn or Jersey.

Gee, if I spent the bucks on a Mark II I'd baby it too, but is it HIS camera? If he's the school photog it might belong to the department. And anyway the Mark II -level cameras are made to take a beating.

[studio206]

yeah i'll definitely check that out :-)

lol nope i think the camera belongs to him... and one of his L lenses had this huge scratch on the front of it o.O the lens are taking more of a beating than the camera lol he also uses it everyday so i can see how there is so much wear and tear

[studioaphotography]

I first learned on a mid to late 80's model of the rolioflex sl66 pro which is a medium format...great camera. But as far as medium format goes, I still would die by a Haslblad or a digital compatible (not a digital camera) mamiya. They are the best.